What Is Protestantism?

[kirkfraser]

The 1.1 Billion member Roman Catholic Church considers all 0.3 Billion Christians other than Catholics to be protesting Catholicism. Some denominations accept the term Protestant, others do not. All denominations born during the Great Reformation and since including home churches inherit the dirty abominations from their mother identified in Rev. 17:5, which include Paul's disobedience toward Jesus Christ in setting up positions including elders and making it a duty to donate material money for spiritual goods.

Some churches claim to be non-denominational which literally means no denomination which means no name. In practice it means either the denomination doesn't want to be considered as a denomination, being more faithful than their sister whores, or it means they are more open to members of all denominations which usually means open recruitment not open practices. Even pan-denominational groups tend to reject the true church making them hypocrites since each denomination has believer groups they reject.

Getting out of the spirit of Catholicism and Protestantism can only be done by absolute commitment to Jesus Christ only. Rev. 18:4 commands all believers to leave their denominations. What should they come out to? Nothing is listed so they should stay free of submission to other men and be solely followers of Jesus Christ as written in the Gospel or New Pentateuch, the 5 books with most of Jesus' recorded words.

[Rev. Dr. Red]

Lets also keep in mind denomination literally means 'to divide, divisive'. So all denominations are doing is further splitting and dividing the Church. We must stop the division and unite in Christ. We were not meant to be divided but united.

[revfarnsworth]

This is true we need to stop working against one another just because we don't see eye to eye on every little subject. In I Cor 1:10 we are even instructed to be one and "have no divisions". As far as Paul disobeying Christ with setting up positions of authority and the tithe. The tithe goes back to Cain and Able. We can the see it carried on, as a thanksgiving to the Father all the way up to where the Father Himself males it LAW. that 1/10TH of your increase go to support the temple. That was only because the temple was in charge of taken care of 1) the Fathers business and was not given land to work and they where 2) required to take care of all those i.e..widows and orphans and the sick and the lame. that could not fend fir themselves. It was never designed to create a multi-billion dollar industry like it has.
Positions of authority started with Moses and the tribes in the wilderness where the Father tells Moses to make leaders of certain men and how they are to be structured. What was happening was it was to much for Moses and people where doing what they wanted..CHAOS. Our Father is not a firm believer in chaos. He is how ever one who believes in law and order.
So don't think Paul did any of this. It was already in place long before he was even a twinkle in his daddy's eye. He actually got on a few churches for not having some order in them.

[kirkfraser]

The most obvious disobedience was Paul setting up elders and teaching men to do so, in direct violation of Matthew 23:8 where Rabbi exactly means elder to Jews according to the Chief Archaeologist in Israel speaking on TBN. If you think about what Rabbis do compared to a denomination that has only elders but no special pastors, it is a match. Paul's disobedience earned him the judgement of Matthew 5:19, being the least in the Kingdom, because he not only disobeyed on his own but he also taught men, Timothy and Titus to set up elders, which is a social disease that came into God's people from Egypt, to have slave drivers over God's people Israel.

Now expanding our understanding of this great sin, notice Jesus didn't stop with Rabbi in Matthew 23:8-10 but listed other positions of inequality among believers saying He is all those things to us. Paul went even further making positions out of such things as teacher and workers of miracles by calling them gifts, as a position assigned, instead of using Jesus' word, talents which implies skills which we can learn, trade, and multiply. So in Jesus' view everyone can become like Him in every way, except claiming to be Him. Paul's view is every position is fixed and you are exceptional if you have two such as elder and teacher at the same time. Thus Jesus encourages spiritual growth and Paul encourages division.

The proof of this can be seen observing new churches which want to get closer to God than old institutional churches, some wanting to live the 1st century church life. They may start with a pure heart but once they fail to live the Gospel and backslide into Paul's epistles, they become the very kind of institution they sought to flee from. Thus Paul's words continue to corrupt anyone who follows them instead of the Gospel to this day.

Then we see the 1st century church wasn't really the best, what is needed is the true church which came down from heaven in Jesus' blood and to my knowledge was never intentionally practiced after Jesus' perfect example, which included stepping aside, dying, or killing the teacher-student hierarchy after 3 years and sending them out in answer to prayer to the Lord of the Harvest to start their own group of 12 for 3.26 years.

Another obvious crime of Paul against Jesus' absolute perfection is the matter of serving money. It's obvious because Rev. 17:5 calls the Roman Catholic Church and all her daughters (born during the Great Reformation and since) harlots, whores, or prostitutes, whose character is selling love for money. So we see that conclusive assessment against traditional churches and the remedy given by God in Rev. 18:4 is to come out of them, not try to restore them to their first love. So backtracking to the book of Romans, where Paul taught those who would become Catholics, Paul made it a duty to donate material goods for spiritual. To see the outrageous crime perpetrated by Paul here, let's take a quick look at the church Jesus intends.

Jesus wants all people to believe Him to the extent of doing all the miracles He did as a foundation for doing greater works. Miracles of healing, feeding, transportation, and more would be so common that the true church would be run by prayer alone and money would be worthless for you couldn't buy anything that couldn't be made better by God's miracles. Just think, if all believers actually did that, who would you donate a tithe to? Everybody would equally deserve it.

Now back to Paul. If you look at Paul's bottom of the barrel concept of making it a duty to donate material goods for spiritual, you have a system of secularizing churches so nothing depends on God's spiritual work but only on money. That explains how Paul's disobedience fathered the great whore and her many daughters who serve hierarchy and money.

[revfarnsworth]

One must read the Bible praying to get the truth, otherwise you may see its words before you and not understand. I know a man who spent years reading the Bible studies of a certain ministry but not truly understand the spiritual life until I explained it to him. Apparently we need to dig deeper into the truth of Paul's criminal disobediences in violation of Jesus the Creator's commands.


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Well I thought this was a place where ideas and beliefs could be discussed intelligently. I guess I was wrong. I guess its no different then the other sites. If you disagree with some people they feel the need to insult you. I guess thats the only way they can legitimize their arguement. That they feel their the only ones that are right and everyone else is wrong.
I dont have the time or energy to be-little people or allow others to be-little me and what I believe.
I don't agree with your stance on Paul, and I'll leave it at that.
Good-luck with your forum.

[Rev. Dr. Red]

This forum is supposed to be for intelligent discussion. Different beliefs will arise. If people cannot dispute in a friendly manner, this forum will be closed and tried again. We are supposed to all be adults discussing different beliefs and finding truth.